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Market-Driven Brooklyn Dining Before the Hype | Liza Queen | Preview
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This is a Vintage episode from 2005.
The Restaurant Guys welcome chef-owner Liza Queen of Queen’s Hideaway, a tiny Greenpoint restaurant where the menu changed with the market, the farmers, the smoker, and whatever was left in the kitchen by the end of the week.
Why This Episode Matters
- Liza Queen explains how Queen’s Hideaway built its menu around farmers, Greenmarket shopping, small quantities of meat, and improvisation.
- The episode captures a very specific moment in Brooklyn dining, before “market-driven neighborhood restaurant” became a polished concept.
- Liza talks honestly about the chaos of running a small restaurant: tiny kitchen, no air conditioning, long hours, broken equipment, landlord issues, and sudden press attention.
- The Guys connect Queen’s Hideaway to a larger idea: great food does not need pretense, luxury, or a white-tablecloth.
- The conversation is a snapshot of a restaurant that became a cult favorite by cooking personally, affordably, and very much in the moment.
Banter
Mark and Francis begin with a conversation about fine dining, New Jersey, and the complicated blessing of being so close to New York. They talk about what separates true hospitality from restaurant theater: a warm welcome, good service, and the feeling that the experience is being created for the guest.
The Conversation
The Restaurant Guys welcome Liza Queen, chef-owner of Queen’s Hideaway in Greenpoint, Brooklyn. Liza explains that the restaurant does not really have a set menu because the cooking depends on what she can get from farmers, what meats are available, and what shows up at the Greenmarket. What sounds like a concept is, in her telling, mostly survival: if the restaurant runs out of one thing, she cooks the next best thing.
Liza talks about moving back east after cooking in Portland, where she felt limited by diners who were less adventurous than she wanted to be. In Brooklyn, she opened what she imagined as a neighborhood place, only to find people coming from Manhattan, upstate, and even New Jersey after early press and word of mouth spread. The restaurant is tiny, informal, and very personal, with a front-of-house and kitchen team made up largely of friends she describes as imported family.
The conversation moves through smoked meats, Wonderbread, broken ice cream makers, root vegetables, and the daily anxiety of building a menu from what the market provides. Liza is funny, humble, and matter-of-fact about the work: 8 a.m. to after midnight, six days a week, in a small kitchen with a very big personality.
After the interview, Mark and Francis reflect on why Queen’s Hideaway resonated. For them, the point is not trendiness or thrift alone; it is food cooked thoughtfully, with excellent ingredients, without snobbery. The episode becomes a defense of the finer things in life at every price point, from a serious restaurant meal to a great hot dog, a real waffle with ice cream, or a neighborhood place that simply cooks what it has and does it well.
Timestamps
0:00 Fine dining, New Jersey, and what makes hospitality feel gracious
6:15 Liza Queen joins the show and explains the no-set-menu approach
8:00 Liza’s experience and desire to open a place on the East Coast
15:00 Smoking meat, winter cooking, Wonderbread, pies, and the tiny kitchen reality
21:30 Why great food does not have to be expensive or pretentious
29:00 Why great food does not have to be expensive or pretentious
Bio
Liza Queen was the chef-owner of Queen’s Hideaway in Greenpoint, Brooklyn, a small, market-driven restaurant known for its changing menu, smoked meats, pies, and fiercely personal cooking. The restaurant became a cult favorite for its informal style, excellent ingredients, and no-pretense approach to neighborhood dining.
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Good morning, Mark.
MarkGood morning, Francis.
Francis (2)I wanna talk about a couple of... In, in the last week, we've both had some pretty extraordinary restaurant experiences. Some,
Marksome really nice restaurants here, right here in New Jersey.
Francis (2)And let me tell you something, I think there are a lot of nice restaurants in New Jersey, and I think there are a lot of restaurants, which have very good food, a number of different genres. But the truly fine dining restaurants- You know, being next to New York is sort of a blessing and a curse. If you put New Jersey in the middle of the country, you know-
MarkMm-hmm
Francis (2)it would be known as one of the best restaurant states around. Right. People would fly to New Jersey.
MarkRight.
Francis (2)Because we are so near New York, a lot of the great fine dining restaurants, so many of the great fine dining restaurants are, are in New York, which is the food capital certainly of the United States, or at least the fine dining restaurant capital of the United States and, and possibly the world. I mean, it really does vie with Paris to-
MarkOh, I don't think so.
Francis (2)Well, there, there is a- I like
MarkParisian restaurants better than
Francis (2)New York restaurants. But there is a lot of opinion that says, especially for fine dining, um, there's a lot of respected opinion out there that, that points to that New York. Now, in New Jersey, we do a lot of things well, but fine dining is something that mean, truly top-of-the-mark fine dining- Mm is something that's been building slowly over time. Well- You can't walk every few, every block or two and find a great restaurant.
MarkOne of the things you just said is it's a blessing and a curse and, and that maybe people don't look at us in, in as high regard as they might otherwise because we're so close to New York City. But at the same time, we have access to, to so many great products because we are so close in proximity to New York City. So many great wines that, that aren't available in other places in the country. So many great products that, that may not be as available as fresh as we can get them in this area, and such a diverse amount of products that
Francis (2)we can get. We spoke to, we spoke to recently Jen Castle and Blake Spalding, who have a restaurant out in Boulder, Utah, population 108, and the way they get fresh produce is, well, they grow it themselves. Yeah. You know, that's, and that's
Markabout- And there's no... And one of the things they said is there's no such thing as fresh Fresh fish. Fresh seafood.
Francis (2)Yeah.
MarkBecause, because all they have is, uh, are some local streams and the fish that are indigenous to those streams they have. Actually, it's farm,
Francis (2)farm-raised trout is all they do.
MarkYeah. Farm-raised trout. That's, that's, that's the only fish that they have on their menu. Where we have New York City's port right here, where fish are coming in fresh from all over the, you know, the ocean.
Francis (2)And it's, and it's great because, you know, we're, we're so close and connected by highways. We do send our people into the green market in New York because that is where the best green markets are right now if you wanna hit a lot of farmers in one place. And we do get to go to the fish market and the meat market in Manhattan. Mm-hmm. It is really just amazing. And there's... And we have so many diners with great taste that it's nice to see fine dining restaurants, I mean, truly fine dining world-class restaurants opening in New Jersey, Now so many of our listeners are, are very far away and will never be able to go to these restaurants. Sure. What do you think, uh, you know, makes the, the... a place What sets it apart from other restaurants that are kinda pretenders to the throne?
MarkWell, first thing, a- anybody can have a beautiful restaurant, okay? You can- Right You know, all you need is a little bit of money, and you can have a, a... or a lot of money. And you can have a beautiful restaurant with beautiful plates and, and-
Francis (2)Mm-hmm
Markbut you... it starts with an attitude, and when you walk in and, and there's a feel in the place that you're going to be taken care of and that somebody really wants to take care of you and wants to make sure that you have a great dining experience. And- What
Francis (2)makes you feel that way?
Markthey're gracious. someone is immediately there to greet you when, when you walk in the door. And that someone wants to bring you a cocktail as soon as you get there, and when you sit down, you're made to feel very, very comfortable when you arrive, and there's a nice wine list.
Francis (2)You know, you re- you remind me of the time that we had dinner-
MarkYou know what you remind me of?
Francis (2)You remind me of the time that we had dinner at a place called, Alain Ducasse. Mm-hmm. Alain Ducasse is in New York now, but this is when he, he first had his restaurant in Paris. And we were in Paris, fortunately, and we had one of the best meals of our lives. And-
MarkI, I can say that was the best meal of my life
Francis (2)and as we left, we talked about what made it really great, and they had all these fab... I mean, the building was fabulous. Everything was... It was not in the current location. It was in a prior location. It was a location. It was in, uh, the old Paul Robuchon place. Mm-hmm. And for all of the finery, for all of the beautiful things that went on there, we always got the feeling that they had done it all for us, that the staff was very solicitous of us, of us- Mm-hmm and that they had m- made us feel that it was all done for us. Each
Markthing that they were doing made, made you feel special and important.
Francis (2)As, as opposed to you go to some restaurants and they make you feel like you're... They try to make you feel like you're lucky to be having dinner there. Right. And that is just the opposite of being gracious. You were talking about restaurants with The Restaurant Guys. We're gonna talk about a couple of restaurants in New York in a moment.
We were talking in the last segment about a couple of restaurants in New Jersey
Francis (2)that are really exceptional, and we're gonna be talking about another restaurant r- right now, um, that is pretty exceptional, and it's in New York. But it's not in Manhattan, it's in Greenpoint in Brooklyn, and we're talking with Liza Queen, who is the owner of The Queen's Hideaway. Hello, Liza.
LizaHello.
MarkLiza, welcome to our show.
LizaHey, thanks.
Francis (2)Thanks for coming to join us. Now, your restaurant, we first, first came to our notice, um, when we read about the way that you do business, which is, um, pretty unconventional for around here. You don't have a set menu. Is that correct? N-
Lizano. No, we don't really.
Francis (2)What are you, crazy?
LizaYes. But, you know, it's not 'cause I'm ambitious. It's just 'cause the way, because of the farmers we deal with, you know?
Francis (2)Uh-huh.
LizaUh- So you
Markjust pretty much cook whatever you feel like?
LizaYes, I really do.
Francis (2)Well, so, so how did, how did the... first of all, how did the idea to do a restaurant